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  • Jun. 24th, 2009 at 11:26 PM
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1. One thing in SPN fanfic of late sends me into a frothing rage whenever I encounter it - the usage of "demon whore" for Ruby. While I prefer AUs in which she's truly on the Winchesters' side, I can accept and read canonish fic set post-episode 4x22. But this expression? What the fuck?!

Canon!Ruby has only ever had sex with one person (that we've seen, anyway), and that happened to be Sam. And even if she had slept with an entire soccer team, the fact that the body that would have done so wouldn't have been hers (and she wouldn't necessarily have experienced many of the sensations) makes the whole thing rather questionable, anyway. Ruby - the demon, the mass of amorphous black smoke, the crunchy filling inside the meat-suit - uses the body she's possessing like a tool, and that includes sex. No matter her past, now she's essentially genderless.

Despite that, I'm perfectly fine with an author (or her characters) calling her a "manipulative, traitorous bitch", a "fucking liar", etc., but "demon whore" insults me as a woman. Female villains aren't automatically "whores". A "whore" is (one of) the most demeaning and disrespectful term(s) for a female prostitute. Male villains don't get randomly called "cheap callboys", after all.

Writers, insult Ruby all you like (or have Dean insult her to his heart's content), but please, don't pull the "whore" card. Castiel using this expression to refer to her? Is even more disgusting and catapults me out of a story so fast my head spins.

2. In the new Batman movie!verse, the Gotham police department is abbreviated "GPD", not "GCPD". Watch the movies; in one of them, Jim Gordon wears tactical gear with the lettering "GPD" on his collar. "GCPD" is a falsehood that has been perpetrated by far too many writers recently. Watch your source material, goddammit, and don't rely on fanon to avoid doing research.

If "GCPD" is commonly used in the comic!verse, I apologize. My knowledge of the Bat!verse beyond the two most recent movies would fit into a thimble.

[Edit 25 Jul 2009: Evidently both abbreviations show up in the Nolan!verse, and "GCPD" is the one commonly used in the comics. That means "GPD" is out, and "GCPD" wins. Hmpf. Damned inconsistent movie!verse. Mea culpa.]

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[identity profile] destinyawakened.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 24th, 2009 09:38 pm (UTC)
"2. In the new Batman movie!verse, the Gotham police department is abbreviated "GPD", not "GCPD". Watch the movies; in one of them, Jim Gordon wears tactical gear with the lettering "GPD" on his collar. "GCPD" is a falsehood that has been perpetrated by far too many writers recently. Watch your source material, goddammit, and don't rely on fanon to avoid doing research."

Actually, I believe it referred to as both. I think I checked into this a while back, but now I feel inclined to double check and back up what i'm saying before looking like a complete jackass.

Edit:
And it is referred to as both. The SWAT Vehicles and Uniforms all say GPD where as the Police uniforms say GCPD and I believe the cars do as well. (I went and skimmed the movie, btw and did some internets research).and this is based solely on Nolanverse movies.

Comics only go by GCPD.
[identity profile] allaire.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 25th, 2009 08:30 pm (UTC)
You mean the movie!verse itself is inconsistent in that regard? *g*
That's bloody typical. I only remember that one promo picture of Gordon in tactical gear (with the a/m lettering on his collar), and you reminded me that

a) I need TDK on DVD, and
b) I don't have a single promo picture of either movie saved to my hard-drive. Argh! That needs to change, like, yesterday!!!

I guess I now know which folder, too, my last computer crash cost me. Drat.

Which abbreviation do you use for the Gotham (City) Police Department? I have to admit that I don't remember off-hand, and that it definitely wasn't one of your stories that kicked off this rant. Sorry if my late-night frustrations made you think otherwise. <3
[identity profile] destinyawakened.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 25th, 2009 08:42 pm (UTC)
The movie is very inconsistent. I think it stemmed from the fact that not only did Nolan not really plan to do a second movie, but that there were probably different people working on different parts and scenes.

I typically use GCPD because I'm usually talking about the police department anyway. I guess if I were going to talk about SWAT and needed it to be known it was Gotham Police Department SWAT, I would use GPD. But considering its always been GCPD in the comics, I just have always used that. It did boggle me though when i saw GPD on the SWAT vans and uniforms and I remember doing some extensive research to be sure I wasn't insane. A lot of people point it out that its both and most likely either done on purpose or a screw up.

And no worries, I didn't know if you were pinpointing one person or a mess of people, because I think everyone in the Brim fandom uses GCPD anyway.
[identity profile] allaire.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 25th, 2009 08:50 pm (UTC)
The movie is very inconsistent. I think it stemmed from the fact that not only did Nolan not really plan to do a second movie, but that there were probably different people working on different parts and scenes.

(plaintively:) Did you have to say that?! I don't have time to re-watch BB and TDK right now, and now I feel tempted, and it's entirely your fault!

Well, if both abbreviations are equally valid, I guess it'd be better to stick with the one more commonly used in canon material outside the Nolan!verse.

So "GCPD" it is. *sigh*
[identity profile] destinyawakened.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 25th, 2009 08:54 pm (UTC)
Well, I could sit and point the things I noticed out, but I won't. (though the one that bugs me the most is that Jimmy is like maybe 2 in BB and then in TDK (only a year later) he's now like 10 or something, i mean WHAT THE HELL NOLAN? even if he passed the young kid in BB off as Gordon's daughter, the age difference is till not right. and there was something in the time line as well, God I can't remember what it is now... but I found it when I went compulsively looking for a time line for the movies and couldn't really find one that made sense with everything added up in the end. needless to say I ended up making up my own goddamn time line cause Nolan sucks like that).

And... use whatever you want when it comes to GPD or GCPD... I don't think many people are going to care one way or the other.
[identity profile] allaire.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 25th, 2009 09:35 pm (UTC)
I so need to re-watch the movies!!! :::wail:::

I hate it when the makers of a set of movies/a tv show/whatever are incapable of remembering the details of their own inventions, and timeline blunders are the worst of the lot. NCIS is a prime example. I thought Nolan was better than that. :-(((
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[identity profile] slippery-fish.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 24th, 2009 10:47 pm (UTC)
Castiel calling her that is just ... stupid. Dean, I would get because it fits the character but Castiel?

ETA: And you're reading Batman fic, too. Seems as if we're stil sharing a human cortex.
[identity profile] allaire.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 25th, 2009 08:31 pm (UTC)
I think some author's anger at Ruby (and/or Sam) bleeds over too much into their writings and leads to badly disguised character bashing. Urgh.

And you're so right re: the human cortex! *g*
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[identity profile] slippery-fish.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 25th, 2009 08:43 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that. I try to avoid that when writing characters I'm not the biggest fan of.

And you're so right re: the human cortex! *g*

*g* I just watched 3:10 to Yuma.. I'm so easy.
[identity profile] i-am-schizo.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 25th, 2009 04:06 pm (UTC)
Re #1, I think I've already got my fair share of rants about calling women "whores", too. Though I do not think that calling a woman a "bitch" or a "slut" is any better than the W-word.

Female villains aren't automatically "whores".

Basically, no woman is ever what society calls a "whore". This word used in that way shouldn't even exist because whenever you apply it you automatically perpetuate all those pretty little fucked-up ideas about how a "decent woman" has to behave, i.e. the dos and don'ts for a "respectable woman" as defined by society.


And even if she had slept with an entire soccer team, the fact that the body that would have done so wouldn't have been hers...

And even if she (or any other woman) has slept with an entire soccer team, it wouldn't matter as long as everyone is in it for the same reasons and no one gets hurt, and even if not, the problem then wouldn't be the fact of having slept with many men.

...makes the whole thing rather questionable, anyway.

Yes.



[identity profile] allaire.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 25th, 2009 08:46 pm (UTC)
I have to admit I don't twitch automatically when I read "bitch". Perhaps it's because it's Dean's favorite endearment for Sam, or it's because I don't see the underlying sexual insult (etymological roots), or else because the word has become so common and widely used - and not always in an offensive manner; it's now almost a title acknowledging a woman's alpha position -, whereas "slut" also makes me angry.

The reasons for that I blame on the two-faced look at men and women - even today, men can have one-night-stands to their hearts' content, whereas women are (still) supposed to "save themselves for marriage".

Besides, if anyone deserved the "slut" appellation in SPN? It would so be Dean. *g*
[identity profile] i-am-schizo.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 26th, 2009 03:56 am (UTC)
...or else because the word has become so common and widely used - and not always in an offensive manner; it's now almost a title acknowledging a woman's alpha position...

Hmm, I'm not sure that personally, I've ever heard the word being used in a non-offensive manner if applied to a woman and etymological roots notwithstanding the fact that a word that at least nowadays has a strong negative connotation or is downright insulting might be applied to supposed "alpha women" should tell us a thing or two, too.

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