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Playing the "What If" Game

  • Feb. 14th, 2006 at 2:39 PM
allaire: (forest)
I just realized – right in the very beginning (think "The Rising"), they wouldn't have been able to hold Atlantis if not for Sheppard's inclusion in the expedition.

If they'd traveled to Atlantis without Sheppard, one of two things would have been the inevitable outcome:

a) Due to the lack of genuine ATA gene carriers, Atlantis wouldn't have turned on so many systems when the expedition first set foot on her decks. They would have used up less power from the already almost depleted ZPM and would have had sufficient time to evacuate all personnel to another planet (perhaps Athos). They would have left the city to sink under the ocean, would have been cut off from Earth until/unless the Daedalus came looking for them in several months' time, and would perhaps have perished with insufficient supplies/been culled by the Wraith on Athos.

b) Despite the lack of genuine ATA gene carriers and the subsequent lower initial power consumption upon the expedition's arrival, Atlantis' ZPM's power wouldn't have been sufficient to allow for a (complete) evacuation via the city's Stargate. Dr. Weir would have most likely felt the need to stay behind until all other personnel had left. Either the whole expedition or those of its members not among the first to leave would have perished in the ocean water flooding in. McKay would have drowned, and Dr. Weir and the rest of her staff wouldn't have been able to escape via puddlejumper because they wouldn't have had a pilot with the ATA gene with them. The original timeline wouldn't have been altered to allow for the failsafe to be installed as shown in "Before I Sleep", and history would have repeated itself.

Which, in short, means the expedition would have been screwed without Major Sheppard. Although it seems very likely that the Wraith wouldn't have been woken prematurely, and so the Pegasus galaxy would have enjoyed a few more decades/centuries of (relative) safety from culling.

So that day in McMurdo - would have head or tails triggered a better outcome? A worse one? Hard to decide.

Comments

[identity profile] mecurtin.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 14th, 2006 11:25 pm (UTC)
At least so far, Sheppard coming on the expedition has produced very close to a worst-case scenario, because without him finding Teyla's necklace and activating it, they wouldn't have awakened the Wraith prematurely. I don't think they'd have awakened Atlantis, either, and I suspect the results would have been very much like in [livejournal.com profile] rageprufrock's "Hindsight" [highlight for story spoilers:]

So far? Sheppard has been a *disaster*.
[identity profile] princeali-m-fan.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 14th, 2006 11:37 pm (UTC)
But him activating Teyla's necklace didn't wake up the Wraith; it just brought the ones that were already up to Athos. Waking up the Wraith, to me, was a two part thing. 1. Because the gatekeeper was dead, and 2. Because, as McKay put it, they now know there's a smorgasbord waiting for them on Earth.
[identity profile] mecurtin.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2006 12:50 am (UTC)
it just brought the ones that were already up to Athos

Which was certainly a disaster for the Athosians, right? And that's what got Sumner killed & revealed the existence of Earth, and Sheppard's killing of the gatekeeper-queen seems to have finished the awakening job.

So how many of those things would have happened if Sheppard hadn't been along?
[identity profile] princeali-m-fan.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2006 01:22 am (UTC)
Which was certainly a disaster for the Athosians, right?
Absolutely.

And that's what got Sumner killed & revealed the existence of Earth, and Sheppard's killing of the gatekeeper-queen seems to have finished the awakening job.
While the activation of the necklace started the series of events that lead to the others waking up, it's not *the* reason why the Wraith woke up is what I am trying to say, lol.
And even with the activation of the necklace, let's just say everyone--including Sumner, Teyla, etc--made it out alive and back to Atlantis in one piece. They'd still be in the same situation they are now, but not on the same scale. There still were Wraith running around the Pegasus Galaxy and I'm sure they would have met them eventually. Team Atlantis just made their already existing problem go from a category 1 to a category 5.

So how many of those things would have happened if Sheppard hadn't been along?
It depends on if you believe the myth on if going into the ruins really do bring the Wraith to Athos, I guess.
[identity profile] allaire.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2006 12:27 pm (UTC)
You're all so unfair - I'd intended to rework my post to include the whole necklace thing, but then I went to bed early (with the migraine from hell). *g*

But yes, I also see a direct chain of events between the expedition (incl. Sheppard) going to Athos and the awakening of the sleeping Wraith.

Without Sheppard, the offworld team wouldn't have been as friendly or as eager to explore the ruins. The necklace wouldn't have been found and activated, and Athos wouldn't have been culled.

Sumner, Bates and the others wouldn't have been caught by the Wraith, there would have been no rescue team, the Wraith wouldn't have heard about the new "feeding grounds", and Sumner et al wouldn't have died.

On the other hand, I cannot rule out the idea that they all might have evacuated to Athos and one of the other gene carriers would have touched the necklace later on. So, yeah, it all might have happened still in another context, just without the possibility of rescue of the culled people since they would have evacuated Atlantis without the puddlejumpers.
[identity profile] terrie01.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 14th, 2006 11:29 pm (UTC)
Sheppard wasn't the only one with the ATA gene -- Beckett for sure, and probably some others that we don't know about.
[identity profile] allaire.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2006 12:30 pm (UTC)
Yes, but the expedition had no idea that piloting a jumper would require the pilot to possess the ATA gene. So if Dr. Weir really stayed behind until the bitter end, Sumner would have stayed with her. And, as far as we know, he didn't have the gene and couldn't have flown the last jumper.
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[identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2006 12:07 am (UTC)
There was a dozen or so gene carriers from what they said in the ep. So beckett, markham, or one of the other 'Natural' carriers would have become atlantis's favorite, whoever the strongest one was without sheppard. Nothing would have really changed, except that Ford would have killed Sumner, and they would have a Lieutenant for a CO.

Hmmmm.
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[identity profile] isiscolo.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2006 12:32 am (UTC)
I encourage you to write this. :-)
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[identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2006 03:09 am (UTC)
Hee! I'll think about it and see if I can make a story out of the idea. *g*
[identity profile] allaire.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2006 12:52 pm (UTC)
Nothing would have really changed, except that Ford would have killed Sumner, and they would have a Lieutenant for a CO.

... provided that they'd all survived the depletion of the ZPM powering Atlantis without the later failsafe in place. And while I have a lot of trust in McKay's abilities, I firmly believe that, if the failsafe hadn't been there, they'd have had to evacuate the city - lacking a better idea.

But yes, I wouldn't be at all averse to a story being written based on your idea. *g*
[identity profile] mecurtin.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2006 12:53 am (UTC)
But was anyone except Sheppard likely to pick up Teyla's necklace and start the whole chain of events that led to prematurely awakening the Wraith?
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[identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2006 03:11 am (UTC)
Well, the necklace didn't necessarily bring the wraith there that first time. The wraith regularly raided the athosians. Sure, afterward, that necklace was used to track them, but I'm not convinced that it actually started the whole thing.
[identity profile] allaire.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2006 12:57 pm (UTC)
If they'd had to evacuate Atlantis, I think they'd all have been bored so much out of their skulls that anyone in the expedition would have jumped at the idea of exploring their new home a little. So yes, if they'd brought back the necklace, I think someone with the gene would have touched it sooner or later.

But as I said further up, the chain of events leading to the premature awakening of the Wraith wouldn't have come to pass without Sheppard, because they would have evacuated the city without taking the jumpers with them. And the facility the Wraith took their prisoners to was only reachable via an in-orbit stargate.
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[identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2006 02:57 pm (UTC)
Again, I think you're missing Markham in this. Again, I don't think there would have been less power consumption or that they would have had more time without Sheppard. So everything would have happened as it had, except that Sumner would have ordered Markham into the jumper that Elizabeth et al would be talking, as they'd need a pilot without Sheppard and Sumner wasn't one. I'd have to re-watch before I sleep, but I beleive that they were already trying to evacuate to the jumper bay when things went down.

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