I've stopped watching Supernatural as of right now. Kripke and Gamble have stealthily been stealing away all the fun and love (or rather, 'like' - I didn't fall for this show until about three months ago) I used to have for SPN over season 4, and it was only in the hiatus that I had enough distance to even see that.
And now? Now I only want to hit Dean with a dead otter (hey Frase) - the otter's optional, the hitting part isn't - until he gets his head screwed back on straight, takes of his blinkers, and reverts to the lovable, irreverent, generous man with an endless capacity for love for his family, and the smug, self-centered, judgmental prick he's become fades back into oblivion. Since that is unlikely to happen, and since I refuse to string myself out over the next God knows how many episodes hoping for crumbs of the Sam-Dean dynamic they used to have, I now need to do what I have to to regain my emotional equilibrium (and hey, can you say "over-investment much"? I can).
For me, that means stopping to watch the show until either I hear of a satisfying reunion of the brothers (one that includes an apology and a bit of "mea culpa" on Dean's part, and preferably on Castiel's as well), or at least until the season has run its course and I can decide, depending on the plotline and the spoilers, whether to give up on SPN for good or to catch up over the next hiatus.
Of course, that means that my most recent source of fanfic has, by necessity, dried up, too. The stress at work is bad enough; I don't need to exacerbate that by hanging out in a fandom that continuously makes me angry all the time. Better to stop now when I still have the strength to deny all events post-season 3 and can still see Dean's good traits rather than despise him with a passion.
I gave up on The West Wing when John Wells took over and changed a bunch of likable people into bastards (two episodes post-Sorkin were enough to convince me of that), I wish I had given up on Stargate: Atlantis with the season 1 finale when it went from "Let's celebrate the geeks, for they save our lives!" to "Let's make fun of the geeks - what a bunch of losers!", and I stopped watching NCIS after season 5 when I felt that Gibbs' inability to show his emotions changed from an endearing quirk to an endless source of annoyance and frustration.
SPN? It was nice while it lasted. While it still was a show about two brothers fighting evil - together. For now, though? Goodbye.
I won't miss you. Much.
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... and very *very* childish. I mean, *really*?
and the smug, self-centered, judgmental prick he's become fades back into oblivion
At least in this episode it OBVIOUSLY was a completely lie on Dean's part - which also is *not* new behavior for Dean. At all. See Season 3.
(Btw, apparently there were scenes in the script that proved it, they just cut them or never filmed them.)
I don't see it that way, sorry. For me the week has hardly enough hours as it is, and I simply don't have the time (and the inclination) to watch a show that just pisses me off. Should that change one day in the future, I will gladly play catch-up.
At least in this episode it OBVIOUSLY was a completely lie on Dean's part - which also is *not* new behavior for Dean. At all. See Season 3.
(Btw, apparently there were scenes in the script that proved it, they just cut them or never filmed them.)
My problem is just - this. That one might - might - interpret deeper thoughts and background into what the show presents us as Dean's current behavior, but that I'm simply not sure that Kripke won't disappoint just like, say, Tom Fontana has done with Oz, Chris Carter with The X-Files, JJ Abrams with Lost. I'd like to think that Kripke has wasted more thought on the current plotline than, well, nothing aside from "Jensen pretty, fangirls happy", but I'm just afraid that such a hope might be just that: a hope destined to remain unfulfilled.
I guess we'll see.
Have you *ever* read any Kripke interviews? Because boy, I don't really trust show creators either, but he's not at all like these idiots. He's always interested to keep the balance between Sam AND Dean and he said so CONSTANTLY. So no, there is no MIGHT to the fact that Dean was totally and utterly putting up a front for Castiel, like he did for Sam in S3 when he pretended to be completely fine with one year left. Why do you think Castiel left, when Dean was rambling on and on about how great it was to be without Sam? *g*
Kripke is playing with the fans *g* Something he's actually really good at, because he reads what we want. So what happens these days is that he's he putting YOU through the wringer.
Btw, about 5.03:
There were some mirror scenes where Dean thought he saw Sam and Sam thought he saw Dean while they were apart. A man in a leather jacket was seated at the bar and from behind, Sam thought Dean had come after him. Dean does a double take when he sees a tall man in a plaid shirt outside the police station that he mistakes for Sam. Both times the boys smile in anticipation of a reunion and both times their faces fall when they realize it was only their imagination. In the script it played much more like they missed one another.
Also, did you even read any spoilers for the next ep? Because in 5.04, Dean will see what happens 5 years in the future when he hold on to leaving Sam alone *g* And you can guess WHAT will happen, after having seen 5.03 *g* (Well, it's either that, or Sam does it all on his own. Which I would have preferred, but who knows where they are going with the the vessel thing.)
So my guess is, Sam and Dean will probably reunite in 5.05 or 5.06 at latest. And certainly not because Dean is pretending to have the moral high ground.
And even with Kripke saying everything you mention, I can't help being a pessimist, and a unbeliever. He might have all those plans, but whether he'll actually succeed (or even continue to want to) in realizing them is something I simply cannot trust in until I see it for myself.
I love the excerpts from the script for 5x03 (that's what it is, right?), but I have to admit I can't recall seeing any of those scenes in the episode, plus you know that I'm not very good with "subtle". I need to be steamrollered with something before I see it, and such subtle hints don't really register with me.
What you're saying about 5x04 sounds very interesting. But I don't want him to join up with Sam out of obligation, dammit! I want it to be out of (brotherly?) love and out of recognition of his own failures and the realization that they're on the same level as Sam's.
I can't help but getting flashbacks to Sheppard's arrogant statement that "Rodney could win back his trust if he really, really tried". Urgh.
Yeah, because generally SPN is known for fucking over his fans. *rolls eyes* Also, it's a TV SHOW.
plus you know that I'm not very good with "subtle". I need to be steamrollered with something before I see it, and such subtle hints don't really register with me.
Which is not the show's fault! Btw, I *HATE* getting steamrolled, it's like TPTB thinks your brain-dead or something.
But I don't want him to join up with Sam out of obligation, dammit!
*rolls eyes* Maybe you should wait for how it plays out first? This will not be the only reason they will kiss and make up. If you actually had read any of the Kripke interviews you would know that Sam's "redemption" and the whole coming back together thing will be the SEASON ARC. So it won't happen in two episodes!!! (unsubtle enough for you? *g*)
I hated the way they changed TWW and stopped watching post-Sorkin era too. I also stopped watching SGA around season 3 or so. Apparently I didn't miss anything.
*grin* Hey I still love NCIS. Especially since I'm a total Gibbs/DiNozzo geek, and their relationship's turned so... well, weird but good.
But it's always that 'much' that annoys me. Usually, I'm so damned pissed off because they screwed up my shows (yeah, hubris...) that it actually depresses me a little. Oh well. :(
Yay!
I also stopped watching SGA around season 3 or so. Apparently I didn't miss anything.
I'm still stuck somewhere around episode... 4x04 perhaps? As far as I can tell, you definitely didn't miss anything.
Hey I still love NCIS. Especially since I'm a total Gibbs/DiNozzo geek, and their relationship's turned so... well, weird but good.
On that, I'm afraid we'll have to disagree. *g*
Gibbs' recent (or not so recent anymore) attitude of "Do as I say, not as I do" and inability to bend a little, emotionally, just pisses me off, and everyone's treatment of Tony (especially McGee!) makes me see red. The fact that Gibbs refuses to a) see that there's even a problem, or b) kick his team back into shape until it is an actual team again leads me to blame him for everything before anyone else, and-- oh, damn, I wish we could go back to the NCIS of seasons 1 and 2... :-(
SPN kept depressing me every time I started thinking about the most recent developments on the show, and I decided I didn't need that. Oh well. :::sigh:::
But yeah, when you feel disappointed by a show, it can't be fixed by some weirdass thing later on. *points at all the former Torchwood fans*
The TW fans are all upset about Ianto dying, aren't they? Did the show try to fix it later on? How? (Admittedly, I don't watch TW and hardly know anything about that fandom apart from the fact that it exists. *g*)
The fact that the gape between fanon and canon characters is so ridiculously wide isn't helping. Gods! One more fic with Gibbs sprouting sentences that have more than ten words, or an instant erection in page 2, and I'll scream...
To be honest, I dropped NCIS for two years or so after season 3. It all got a bit too blah for me, and Hiatus and yes, the way Gibbbs was treating DiNozzo got too much for me. But then I watched the two seasons I'd missed in an insane marathon over a week or so, and now I have to say I love it again.
*grin*
Yeah, apparently people are all upset because of Ianto. And the fact that the kind of silly, campy sci fi show actually turned into something dark and gritty and... good. :) No, I have no opinions about this...
From [info]anteka's post [here];
"-- There were lovely mirror scenes where Dean thought he saw Sam and Sam thought he saw Dean while they were apart. A man in a leather jacket was seated at the bar and from behind, Sam thought Dean had come after him. [ETA: They must have shot that scene because Look-alike Dean was cast.\ETA] Dean does a double take when he sees a tall man in a plaid shirt outside the police station that he mistakes for Sam. Both times the boys smile in anticipation of a reunion and both times their faces fall when they realize it was only their imagination. In the script it played much more like they missed one another. Even the stage direction for the final scene of Dean and Castiel in the car had Dean admitting life was easier without Sam, but playing it as though he was lying and when Castiel had left, THEN letting his smile fall off his face and internally reflect on his words."
Oh my, what would Freud have to say about this? I just read ...for the anal scene of Dean and Castiel..
*g*
Subtle, gah! How I hate you so - you're so damned hard to see!
:::kicks lj for refusing to actually post the comment:::